What am I Missing???

[simplepinoi177]

Hello all! I bow down in respect to everyone’s vast and deep knowledge here and hope/pray for your insight and guidance.
I am a person who is fairly knowledgeable in general electronics. I have a good understanding of statistics and specs of a PC; specification data (how much data space is in a GB. What is a good size RAM. How fast is ghz or mhz.) I have always been able to shop for a good enough PC [already built/pre assembled] using guidelines as to how much RAM, processor speed, video card (somewhat), etc. that they have; but I have never built a PC from the ground up. It is a daunting task to go from buying an already assembled PC to one that you start yourself; one must consider power supply and motherboard/systemboard/chipset, setting up drivers and BIOS, etc. So please, I implore, that I am an uber noob when it comes to this, so please don’t super flame me. I most likely don’t completely understand what I presume or state….I know I must have many wrong assumptions and am in need (almost desperate need) of clarification… As according to the title, because I’m deeply inexperienced with this, I am most surely missing something/many things. If you please, can you let me know what it/they may be?
My father customized his first 2 computers by going to a well reputable computer shop and having the technician assemble the hardware. He would either give the technician a specific component/hardware he wanted in the PC (like a list), or have the technician decide what’s best. As it being a decade since he last did this (so he is considerably out of touch with what may be current/top of the line), and my apparent obvious growing aptitude for electronics and computers, he requested from me that I take over this next PC build for us (as we will share this PC). He recently came into a considerable amount of money and wished me to try and make a PC that is top-of-the-line (relatively, without amounting it to the price of a car or home theater). I am a bit afraid/hesitant to try it on my own for the very first time. Again, I have absolutely no experience inside a PC (wires, shorting, cable bunching, mounting, BIOS settings, etc.) and can only depend on my fairly decent experience is on recognizing specs.
This PC will be used for gaming and video and picture editing. My father will be using Avid Liquid 7 for his video editing, but I am sure he will upgrade/update to a better Avid product with this PC.

From the few short hours of research (so obviously a lot of room for improvement most likely), here is my build so far…

Processor: Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070&Tpk) (edited/changed; original post: Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9650)

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9 x2 (total 16GB) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186)
{updated from: CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1600C9 and (if decide 12GB) CORSAIR XMS 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M1A1600C9}
[original post: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory (have read GREAT things about this RAM chip)
OR Patriot Viper Xtreme Series, Division 2 Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
OR CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) (budget/cheaper route)]

Graphics Card: MSI N580GTX Lightning Xtreme Edition GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 3072MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127589)
(edited/changed; original post: 1gtx580 or dual (2) AMD Radeon HD 6970)

Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131791)
(original post: ASUS Rampage III (leaning to this because: CES 2011 Innovations- Design and Engineering Award)? or ?ASUS P67 Pro? or suggestions…)

Power Supply: CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX1200 (CMPSU-1200AX) 1200W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 SLI Certified 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139014)
(edited/changed; original post: Corsair HX-850)

Cooling: Antec Kuhler H2O 620 Liquid Cooling System (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209049&Tpk)
{updated from: CORSAIR Hydro H70 CWCH70 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler} (original post: ZALMAN CNPS9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler)

Sound: Soundblaster X-Fi HD Titanium (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102033&Tpk)

Hard Drives: Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare x2 (System Drive/Storage Drive [C:/D:]) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136792) {original post: Seagate 2TB 3.5” 7200rpm HDDs ST320005N1A1AS-RK x2 (System Drive/Storage Drive [C:/D:])}

Optical Drives: LITE-ON Blu-ray Burner with 3D Playback SATA iHBS212 LightScribe (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106348&Tpk) and/& ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204&Tp)

Casing: Antec Twelve Hundred V3 Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129100)OR LIAN LI PC-P50WB Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112253)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

Memory Card Reader/Slots: Nippon Labs ICR-BB All-in-one USB +eSATA Card Reader (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820816001)

Monitor: LG 22LC2D-UB already own...

Now here are my questions, concerns, and worries.
1st question concerns my graphics card(s). Do you suggest a single Geforce GTX580 or double up/dual AMD Radeon 6970? From what I’ve read, it might be better to set up a dual 6970 than setting up a single gtx580 and, if need be, upgrade later by installing a second Geforce (reasons being that in the end one would never really add a second 580 but install a newer card that can perform as well as two last-generation Nvidea Geforce cards).

2nd question concerns my motherboard. First and foremost, can any of my planned motherboards achieve/maintain all that I want to put into the PC (listed hardware/components). If not, please post or list motherboards that can achieve this. If none can, please explain which component cannot and why it cannot. [my concern is that there is not enough connections, or what not] Second concern is if I go the dual 6970 route, I’ve read that I would need to use AMD’s CrossfireX (I don’t really understand what it is other than, I assume, it connects the two graphics cards? [simplistic way of looking at it]) I know the Rampage III or P67 can hold a single unit of the GTX580, but I am not certain/sure/confirmed if it can hold dual graphic cards like 2 6970. If not, what do you suggest for a motherboard? If anything, what motherboard can also be good for a possible upgrade in the future; i.e. 2+ Radeon 6970 (read someone had 4) or 1+ GTX580?

3rd question concerns the RAM memory. From my experience, 2GB of ram is the bare minimum, and 4GB can achieve most regular computers (was overkill a few years ago, but it is still applicable and reasonable currently). I’ve read that Dell and Sony and other name brands have even started putting in 6GB in some computers, and I think I’ve even seen an Asus computer hit 8GB. Keeping in mind the goal of some “futureproofing,” is my 8 GB (2x4GB) enough? In searching for good RAM memory chips, I’ve found that there are even 12GB or 16GB(?!?!) of RAM being sold!!! My question is, would it be overkill to get a 12 or 16 GB RAM module?

4th question concerns cooling. My understanding is that not every unit needs a cooling system. Much of the cooling/venting is treated through the power supply’s vent and the type of casing a PC has. But from what it seems, the hardware I’m putting in would need added cooling/ventilation? Again, because of my inexperience and ignorance of hardware into a PC, this is only a guess and assumption with no actual facts I can put into the assumption (but it seems right/logical assumption). Is this correct? From the looks of what I am trying to put into the PC, would I need the added cooling? And is the Zalman good enough? (from what I’ve read, it is very capable and good enough). I almost slipped up in deciding on a cooling hardware because, apparently, these need to be “compatible” with the motherboard and processor you may be running.

Please any input, clarification, or suggestions, or even criticism is welcome (I just ask that please don’t flame or insult as I admittingly don’t completely know what I’m doing [bordering on barely knowing what I’m doing] and am here to learn)…any at all…
I know, most likely, that I am missing something/a lot...

Thank you very much for your time and consideration.

[RickyTick]

Hello simplepinoi177. Welcome to the forums.

First of all, there is ZERO flaming on these forums, so you don't have to ever worry about that here. Everyone here is glad to help and will provide the best advice possible at all times. :)

I have several comments about your proposed build, and I will make another post to cover all that.

[RickyTick]

If you're fairly handy with electronics and even slightly mechanically inclined, you can easily build a PC on your own.

The Q9650 is already 2 generations old. You should be focusing on the new Intel line called Sandy Bridge. This will also change your choice for motherboard, ram, and cpu cooling.

On video cards, a single GTX580 is the top dog. However, a crossfire of 6970's is a nice option, or an SLI of GTX570's might be even better depending on prices. Personally, a single card setup tends to be more stable and more reliable. Plus, if you're only using a 22" monitor, anything more than a GTX570 or 6970 would not provide any noticeable performance increases.

For cooling, the case will provide most of the air flow cooling. You listed a Zalman cooler for the cpu, but I already mentioned how this could change due to the cpu used. I would suggest taking a good look at the self-contained cooling units, specifically the Corsair H70.

I would be happy to put together a list of recommended components for you to look over, if you like.

[simplepinoi177]

Thank you so very much RickyTick! I really appreciate it.
...I knew i would be missing some things...

As per the processor...Thanks for pointing that out! I've been a bit out of date, and knew quad cores are the current tech. I simply researched which would be better, Intel or AMD (they were duking it out for quad-core supremecy last time I took notice; which must have been a considerable amount of time ago looking at the current results), found that Intel had higher reviews and considerations, and simply went to Intel's website and got the highest end quad that they were showing on the website. I guess this was an oversight.

If I may inquire, I have now changed to going the Sandy Bridges route. You said that changing this, I would need to reconsider the motherboard, ram and cooling. What motherboard, ram and cooling do you suggest for this processor? I have been suggested, with this processor, the ASUS P8P67 EVO LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard and the CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1600C9 should do well with it. What are your thoughts? Is my current RAM listed not enough/making the cut?

In terms of your thoughts on graphics card, your reasoning is what I was thinking/how I reasoned it as well (based off my research). So I believe I will choose to go the single gtx580 route. You mentioned that this setup/suggestions is more than enough for my 22” monitor, but what if we were going to upgrade that soon? How much bigger/upgrade could it go before the aforementioned setup is not enough?

As for the cooling, with the change of cpu to Sandy Bridges, and depending on the motherboard and ram, would you still suggest the Corsair H70? (noob question: for the h70, where do you actually place this thing? Under/over motherboard? With the PSU?)

Thank you for your offer on compiling a list for me. Although I really appreciate it, I wish to know how my current list stands; what needs to be modified, improved, etc. (I’ve already found out the processor needed to be upgraded) Or what can stay as-is?
Also, as you said, I am fairly handy with electronics, but not really mechanically inclined. But then again, I do not really know what goes into building my own PC, so I may be deluded in how “handy” I am with electronics.

P.S. It makes me feel very comfortable and very glad of the “ZERO flaming” on this forum and helps me to post with confidence. Thank you for reassuring that in your first post.

[simplepinoi177]

So I've learned that the G.skill Ripjaws have some compatability issues, Seagate (at least the Barricudas;waiting on the Constellation verdict) has been being faulty, and AX850 are the newer, higher spec, and longer warranty choice than the HX.
It's a shame about the Ripjaws...I've read a lot of great things...

Also, what do you/anyone think of 12gb, 16gb of RAM? Overkill? Because, even though I can hardly believe it, I am even seeing 24GB of RAM?!?!?! I am wondering if my prediction of 8gb is good enough if things are blowing out of proportion to 24gb already...

[RickyTick]

What motherboard, ram and cooling do you suggest for this processor? I have been suggested, with this processor, the ASUS P8P67 EVO LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard and the CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1600C9 should do well with it. What are your thoughts? Is my current RAM listed not enough/making the cut?


For a motherboard, the EVO has a lot of features, but the PRO is just as good and a little cheaper.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7089723&Sku=A455-3027

The sweet spot for ram is 4gb. But ram is fairly cheap right now, so it's a worthwhile investment. This is an excellent ram choice for Sandy Bridge.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233147

I also like G.Skill ram. This is an 8gb kit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231431

[RickyTick]

In terms of your thoughts on graphics card, your reasoning is what I was thinking/how I reasoned it as well (based off my research). So I believe I will choose to go the single gtx580 route. You mentioned that this setup/suggestions is more than enough for my 22” monitor, but what if we were going to upgrade that soon? How much bigger/upgrade could it go before the aforementioned setup is not enough?

Unless you're upgrading to a 30" monitor, the GTX580 will play any game at max settings.



As for the cooling, with the change of cpu to Sandy Bridges, and depending on the motherboard and ram, would you still suggest the Corsair H70? (noob question: for the h70, where do you actually place this thing? Under/over motherboard? With the PSU?)

Look through this. There's a VIDEOS tab too. It will show you how to install it. I really like the new H60, although it seems to be impossible to find right now. Maybe it's just too new.
http://www.corsair.com/cooling/hydro-series.html

[simplepinoi177]

RickyTick,
I'm glad to know that the most of the original suggestions/components still hold up. Also, thank you for clearing up my inquiries about my monitor and graphics card. So, now I am considering a 12gb RAM set up. Even if 8 is the sweet spot right now, I wish to include furthur RAM now instead of upgrading later (if anything, to save some trouble/while i'm at it now). I'm looking at/liking F3-10666CL7T-12GBRH (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231405&cm_re=12_gb_4gb-_-20-231-405-_-Product), but I can't confirm if it would be compatible with the P67. Am I overreaching with that suggestion?

Also, I've been told/found out that Seagate isn't really the tops anymore currently. Western Digital is the way to go nowadays. What do you think? Do you agree? If anything, I'm not looking at the Western Digital Caviar Black WD6402AAEX 640GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136544&cm_re=WD6402AAEX-_-22-136-544-_-Product). Any thoughts/opinions on this product/idea?

Also, I wanted to take the time and say that I really appreciate you, a moderator, helping me out with suggestions and insight. I know you have much to do and just wanted to show my gratitude for your time and consideration.

[RickyTick]

So, now I am considering a 12gb RAM set up. Even if 8 is the sweet spot right now, I wish to include furthur RAM now instead of upgrading later (if anything, to save some trouble/while i'm at it now).

Actually 4gb is the sweetspot, not 8. Unless you're doing some heavy duty video editing, huge photoshop jobs, or very large file swaping, then anything over 8gb will be a waste. If you're looking at future proofing, then go ahead with the 8gb. No real need to go with any more than that.



I'm looking at/liking F3-10666CL7T-12GBRH (http://www.pcmech.com/forum/build-your-own-pc/219149-what-am-i-missing.html?SID=e1k2896e33&dr_log=-1&linkout=http%3A//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16820231405%26cm_re%3D12 _gb_4gb-_-20-231-405-_-Product), but I can't confirm if it would be compatible with the P67. Am I overreaching with that suggestion?

This is the wrong type ram. This is triple channel, and you will need dual channel. Refer to the Corsair and G.Skill ram that I linked to in the post above. Those are 8gb kits that are designed for the P67 platform.



Also, I've been told/found out that Seagate isn't really the tops anymore currently. Western Digital is the way to go nowadays. What do you think? Do you agree? If anything, I'm not looking at the Western Digital Caviar Black WD6402AAEX 640GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136544&cm_re=WD6402AAEX-_-22-136-544-_-Product). Any thoughts/opinions on this product/idea?

I would agree that WD and Samsung have both stepped over Seagate as the top hard drive makers. That's a great choice for a hard drive, but you may want to look at the 1TB since it gives the same performance and is a good bit larger.



Also, I wanted to take the time and say that I really appreciate you, a moderator, helping me out with suggestions and insight. I know you have much to do and just wanted to show my gratitude for your time and consideration.

You're very welcome. Always glad to help.

[simplepinoi177]

Actually 4gb is the sweetspot, not 8. Unless you're doing some heavy duty video editing, huge photoshop jobs, or very large file swaping, then anything over 8gb will be a waste. If you're looking at future proofing, then go ahead with the 8gb. No real need to go with any more than that.
Heh, that was a typo. I meant 4gb, not 8gb. Thank you for catching that. I will take your advice about not going further than 8gb, but I am simply curious. If I do want to go and input 12gb, how would I go about that on the P67 platform? Would I use the CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) and put 1 more 4GB module (sorry if this is a naïve and noob approach and absolutely impossible to work [trying to learn].) From what I’m seeing, if it is a “dual channel” set up, then maybe I would need to go 2 x 2GB added? How would I go about this goal?


This is the wrong type ram. This is triple channel, and you will need dual channel. Refer to the Corsair and G.Skill ram that I linked to in the post above. Those are 8gb kits that are designed for the P67 platform.
Heh, yeah. I knew that wouldn’t work out. But I’m glad to have learned why and gained knowledge about it.


I would agree that WD and Samsung have both stepped over Seagate as the top hard drive makers. That's a great choice for a hard drive, but you may want to look at the 1TB since it gives the same performance and is a good bit larger.

“good bit larger”…in size? performance? But thanks for the advice. I will keep it in mind…

[RickyTick]

To go to 12gb, just add one more 4gb stick for a total of 3 sticks of 4gb each = 12gb. It's an odd combination, but there's no reason why you can't populate 3 out of the 4 dimm slots. The motherboard manual will explain which slot to leave vacant.

When I said "good bit larger", I was referring to the storage capacity. 1TB is 56% larger the 640gb. It's usually only about $20 more, which makes it a great deal.

[simplepinoi177]

To go to 12gb, just add one more 4gb stick for a total of 3 sticks of 4gb each = 12gb. It's an odd combination, but there's no reason why you can't populate 3 out of the 4 dimm slots. The motherboard manual will explain which slot to leave vacant.

When I said "good bit larger", I was referring to the storage capacity. 1TB is 56% larger the 640gb. It's usually only about $20 more, which makes it a great deal.
Ahhh I see about the "bit larger." what you mean... ACTUALLY, I'm just looking at it now?!?!?!:confused: i seemed to have put the wrong url!!! :p:rolleyes: i know it may be overkill for a system os/program drive, but I wanted 2 of Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136792&Tpk=Western%20Digital%202%20tb%207200%20rpm). One for system/one for storage. Please excuse my confusion, but explains why I was so confused about it being a "bit larger" when I thought I posted up a 2TB HDD. Hehe:D
Also, I didn't know the motherboard came with 4 dimm slots! So yeah, if need be, I could simply put another 4gb ram in the other slot. I'm still considering what I'm gonna decide...

Also, I wanted to ask, I'm very much leaning towards the P67 because it works well/for the Sandy Bridges CPU, but I heard/read really great things about the Asus Rampage III Extreme; i mean it won "CES 2011 Innovations- Design and Engineering Award"!!! That's gotta mean something right??? What do you think? Is it because the P67 will simply do the same without being the same price?

Again, thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.

[RickyTick]

The Asus Rampage III Extreme is an X58 platform and not compatible with P67.

[simplepinoi177]

ahhh i see. thank you for clarifying. I think I have misunderstood something here. I was under the impression that the P67 motherboard was shorthand for P8P67 Asus board. Apparently, P67 is not a simple shorthand. Is it what would connect the Intel Sandy Bridges CPU to the Asus P8P67 board? Sorry for the noob question...

[Spackler]

ahhh i see. thank you for clarifying. I think I have misunderstood something here. I was under the impression that the P67 motherboard was shorthand for P8P67 Asus board. Apparently, P67 is not a simple shorthand. Is it what would connect the Intel Sandy Bridges CPU to the Asus P8P67 board? Sorry for the noob question...

ASUS P8P67 Pro is working just fine for me, and gets good reviews (http://www.pro-clockers.com/motherboards/1780-asus-p8p67-pro-socket-1155-motherboard.html).

[simplepinoi177]

ASUS P8P67 Pro is working just fine for me, and gets good reviews (http://www.pro-clockers.com/motherboards/1780-asus-p8p67-pro-socket-1155-motherboard.html).

Yes, so I've heard and so many people suggest it (especially with the Sandy Bridge chipset). But thank you Spackler for letting me know what your opinion is and help me feel more confident towards choosing the P8P67 Pro.

Also, I forgot to put up that I wanted memory card slots on this rig as well. I assume it shouldn't be too hard and the P8P67 can pretty much handle anything I throw at it, but I wish to confirm. Setting up a Internal/dock memory card slot shouldn't come with too much problems/conflicts correct? Can anyone suggest one?

[RickyTick]

This might be what you're looking for.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820816001

[simplepinoi177]

Thank you RickyTick. You have chosen/showed the most reliable internal memory card reader on all of newegg! I never knew how faulty or unreliable internal memory card readers could possibly be!

Also, I'm looking into getting a Lian Li PC Case with an open side panel. if you can, can you please look and check out the comarisons I've made for Lian Li aluminum cases with "side panels"? I simply searched for Lian Li cases with side panels and compared the top 5 best reviewed... link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001375%2040000007&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=7%7C11-112-239%5E11-112-239-TS%2C11-112-238%5E11-112-238-TS%2C11-112-253%5E11-112-253-TS%2C11-112-264%5E11-112-264-TS%2C11-112-263%5E11-112-263-TS
I'm leaning towards the LIAN LI PC-P50WB because it seems to have extra slots and 2 extra fans (for ventilation.) It also seems to have an "easy to install" design and has the "upgradibility" to be equipped with 8 PCI slots and can hold three or more graphics card to support CrossfireX and 3-way SLI. But if all that is unneeded overkill (like "super high quality" HDMI cord vs $3 HDMI cord), please let me know.
Also, I was going through newegg's guided search and saw that there are cases with material like steel or aluminum&steel. I can't say I see much steel PC cases. Are those better for ventilation and heat distribution? Should I seriously consider getting a steel case or will the cases in the above comparison be adequate enough? Also, I'm assuming "0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh" is a lower quality than full on aluminum, but I would like to confirm; is it a lower quality?

[RickyTick]

The Lian Li cases are top of the line, and their prices reflect that. For me personally, I just couldn't justify paying $200+ for a case. From the ones that you linked to, I would buy the PC-K62, but that's just me. I also like the Cooler Master cases a lot too. You'll find a lot of cases are plastic and aluminum, and they are quite sturdy and dependable. Check some video reviews online. I like 3dgameman.com for video reviews, but you can find a bunch of amateur reviews on youtube.

[simplepinoi177]

The Lian Li cases are top of the line, and their prices reflect that. For me personally, I just couldn't justify paying $200+ for a case. From the ones that you linked to, I would buy the PC-K62, but that's just me. I also like the Cooler Master cases a lot too. You'll find a lot of cases are plastic and aluminum, and they are quite sturdy and dependable. Check some video reviews online. I like 3dgameman.com for video reviews, but you can find a bunch of amateur reviews on youtube.

Thanks for your opinions RickyTick. With what I am running, do you not believe the P50WB's extra fans are needed? If you've looked at the list (which has been kept updated), I actually do have a CoolerMaster case suggested as well. From the person who suggested it, I am sure that it is a really good case, but I would still like to know what you think of it.

[RickyTick]

Maybe I missed something. All I see are 5 Lian Li cases. Unless you're over-clocking something, or there's something restricting air flow, you shouldn't need extra case fans.

For CoolerMaster cases, I really like the HAF-x, HAF932, HAF922, Sniper, Scout, and 690 Advanced II. I also like Antec 900 and 902.

[simplepinoi177]

Yeah...they're all Lian Li cases. It was suggested to me because their quality and structure are tops. I guess I'm just going for a really good build case. I figured about the P50WB and extra fans...but I do plan on overclocking in the future when I could use the extra juice to manage higher processing programs and/or cluttered big data files.

But other than Lian Li cases being suggested, the most suggested case I keep hearing about and running into is the Antec 900! Especially considered because I'm looking for one with a side panel. I think my build is pretty much complete, but choosing the case seems to have been the most time taking of all. There are so many, so many things to consider, everyone has their favorite brand or justification, it's really hard to settle on one. One thing I've been wondering, if I should go for a mesh material or straight up steel or aluminum? ...still considering a lot of cases...

Also, I kinda just realized this and wanted to ask about it, but would a "full size" be unnecessary for my build? I know the Antec 900 is already suggested from looking at my build, but I'm wondering if i couldn't go for the Antec Twelve Hundred and why I couldn't/wouldn't? From a little of what I've read, one needs proper case also to fit the graphic cards and mobo you are putting in.
(response to this last query: I think I'm gonna go for the "full size" Antec twelve hundred because I am thinking I may put in a liquid cooling system later down the line (i've heard these can run tall/big). Also, since this is my very first build, I've heard the extra room will make it a bit easier for the inexperienced like me.)

[simplepinoi177]

Hello all! It's been a while...But things have come up and my computer had issues so I couldn't really get on...

In any case...I was going to post up today my final build (with newegg urls) decisions, but found out that the sandy bridge chipset has been recalled?!?!?! So "ixnay" on that plan...

And it doesn't seem it's gonna be resolved for a while, so I guess I am gonna just have to wait (like many people i've seen talking about online) til a fixed component comes out or the newer better component comes out...
Unless there's suggestions that are as good as the Sandy Bridge and P8P67 MoBo...

In any case, I edited the original list to have a finalized build up to finding out about the recall...

[simplepinoi177]

Hello all!

Well, it’s been a while since I was last back in here. I was ready and within hours of purchasing all the components I would need for my new build. That’s when I found out about the recall of the Sandy Bridge CPU’s being recalled and, through further review, it would take until about late March to April before they repaired those that were faulty as well as shipping out the fixed hardware. This is how my limited understanding of the situation is.

So here I am once again after some time, back. It seems that the P67 boards are back on newegg and things have moved on. What I beseech from you all is to help me update my list; specifically RickyTick (i hope for you specifically because you have been MOST helpful). I have been away for months, so I am sure that there are updates/improvements on the components on my list. My questions/concerns are: Is there any new technology that I should replace on any of the components in my list? Is there any new technology coming that is worth waiting for? (now that I had to forcibly wait til the Sandy Bridge fiasco resolved)? Has anything that is on my old/original list that has become obsolete?

My specific concerns are the CPU, graphics, MoBo, and hard drives. I know CPUs, the motherboards that correspond with them, and graphics cards are usually improved and newer/better versions come out in small periods of time after the “latest and greatest at the time.” (like the wait from February to late March/April for the Sandy Bridge to be resolved). Also, back in the early 2k, it was that Seagate was the best brand of hard drives, but as I started building currently this year, I come to find out that this is not the case towards their high capacity HDDs. So, to be specific, is the CPU, graphics card, motherboard, and hard drives still pertinent? Or are better versions out there than the ones that are in the list?

Again, there must be some/many things/information that I am missing. Please clarify, criticize, and/or help in any way you can. I very much appreciate it. I look forward to finally completing my shopping list for my new build/PC after the wait. Thanks again.

P.S. For reference, the list can be found in the 1st post. I editted it to have the most up to date component listing.

[RickyTick]

OK, a few thoughts here.

That video card is for a liquid cooled system. Are you sure that's the route you want to take? You didn't list a water cooling kit.
Plus, I love high performance as much as anybody, but the GTX580 is an expensive investment that will not give you noticeable improvements over the GTX570. Take the money saved and put it into an SSD.

This is a better ram kit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233147
or this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445

I like the H70 for cooling the cpu. The H60 is specifically designed for Sandy Bridge.
I've also been reading excellent reviews on the Antec Kuhler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209049
Look here http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=5&Itemid=62

[simplepinoi177]

My deep thanks for your response and your ongoing help RickyTick.

Now to clarify some things...
Sorry about the confusion on picking a graphics card that needs to be liquid cooled but included a cooling system that doesn't seem to be. I apologize, but I was under the impression that the Hydro H70 was. I may have been misled by this sentence in the description: " A higher-performance radiator with nearly twice the surface provides even more room for liquid to get cool before it returns to the cold plate." I thought since it mentioned "even more liquid to get cool" meant that it included in itself liquid cooling. I also believed this is the reason why it had the word "hydro" in the title as it is a prefix that indiciated "water." Again, I apologize for my ignorance/inexperience.
But I do really like the suggestion you gave of the Antec Kuhler. I may just go that route as I am very much considering a liquid cooling system.
I also wanted to clarify about your statement, "I like the H70 for cooling the cpu. The H60 is specifically designed for Sandy Bridge." So, in the end, would you recommend the H60 if I go the Sandy Bridge route or were you just saying that the H70 goes well with Sandy Bridge because the previous model (H60) was specifically designed for it?

Now, about the graphics card. It seems reasonable and correct when you say that the 570 and the 580 aren't really going to be much difference in my rig as opposed to a hardcore 3 monitor super gaming system. I hope you won't be too irritated on my next question because it cycles back to something you have already indicated, but what about the GTX590? I would like to hear your opinion on if that would be worth the investment over the gtx570.

Moving on to the RAM kits...thank you for the updated suggestions on them. I think I will go with the CORSAIR as it seems it will fit (in general;not physically) with the i7 best. It is interesting that the Ripjaws ended up making one for the P67 mobo. Earlier in the beginnings of my endeavor of making a great PC from the ground up, I kept asking/requesting if Ripjaws were viable in my rig as to them having great reviews and even some prestigious awards, only to find out that they don't really go with the P67.

In the end, I still wish to confirm some things. My selection of CPU is still good, correct? There haven't been any negative outcomes from still obtaining the 2600K currently (the repaired cpu shows no faulty signs) has there? How about the 2820QM Sandy Bridge? (I imagine it is unneccessary for the price jump as well as performance difference against the 2600k being minimal for my build) Is it still Intel that is worth going for in terms of quad-core, or in the near future will AMD will take the lead as it did with dual-core? Also, I wanted to confirm that the ASUS P8P67 DELUXE motherboard is still tops/best prospect with all my components? Am I still good with the power supply? it looks like the CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX looks good but it seems that the AX-850 is still very much pertinent and was highly recommended. Do you think the AX-1200 is overkill (most likely)?

Again, I want to reiterate how much I appreciate your help and knowledge and how much I respect your input and insight. Thank you again for helping out. And for all those who contributed along the way.

[RickyTick]

My deep thanks for your response and your ongoing help RickyTick.

Now to clarify some things...
Sorry about the confusion on picking a graphics card that needs to be liquid cooled but included a cooling system that doesn't seem to be. I apologize, but I was under the impression that the Hydro H70 was. I may have been misled by this sentence in the description: " A higher-performance radiator with nearly twice the surface provides even more room for liquid to get cool before it returns to the cold plate." I thought since it mentioned "even more liquid to get cool" meant that it included in itself liquid cooling. I also believed this is the reason why it had the word "hydro" in the title as it is a prefix that indiciated "water." Again, I apologize for my ignorance/inexperience.

You're getting two separate things confused. The H50, H60, and H70 are all Corsair Hydro Series coolers. These are a closed liquid cooling system. It has a pump, radiator, and fan(s), that are all one complete unit designed specifically and only to cool the cpu. Look through this. http://www.corsair.com/cooling/hydro-series.html
When Corsair introduced it originally, they only offered the 50 and 70. Then after Intel introduced 1155 Sandy Bridge, Corsair (with Asetek), introduced their newest model and called it H60. It's probably the best of the three. Here's a nice review of it. http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1581/1/
Interestingly, you'll notice at the conclusion of the review, they recommend the Antec Kuhler as a better performer and a better value.

Some pc enthusiasts and gamers go the full liquid cooling system. This includes a pump, radiator, and tubes that connect the cpu, gpu, and sometimes the chipset, and even sometimes the ram. Here's a look at this kind of kit. http://www.xoxide.com/swiftech-apex-ultima-plus.html and also look through this http://www.maximumpc.com/article/howtos/build_kickass_liquid_cooling_system%E2%80%946_simp le_steps
This is really for the advanced user and is almost always for people wanting to overclock their components to see how far they can push them.



But I do really like the suggestion you gave of the Antec Kuhler. I may just go that route as I am very much considering a liquid cooling system.
I also wanted to clarify about your statement, "I like the H70 for cooling the cpu. The H60 is specifically designed for Sandy Bridge." So, in the end, would you recommend the H60 if I go the Sandy Bridge route or were you just saying that the H70 goes well with Sandy Bridge because the previous model (H60) was specifically designed for it?

I think I just covered all this. Does it all make sense?



Now, about the graphics card. It seems reasonable and correct when you say that the 570 and the 580 aren't really going to be much difference in my rig as opposed to a hardcore 3 monitor super gaming system. I hope you won't be too irritated on my next question because it cycles back to something you have already indicated, but what about the GTX590? I would like to hear your opinion on if that would be worth the investment over the gtx570.

Is it fast? Oh yeah baby...this thing rocks. Is it powerful? No doubt...it's a beast. Is it worth the investment? Absolutely not. Unless you're running at resolutions of 2560x1600 and above, this card would be a total waste of your money. This thing is a real beast, but if you're using a 22 or 24 inch monitor, you're not testing it's real capabilities. Here's a great (but long) review. http://techreport.com/articles.x/20629/1



Moving on to the RAM kits...thank you for the updated suggestions on them. I think I will go with the CORSAIR as it seems it will fit (in general;not physically) with the i7 best. It is interesting that the Ripjaws ended up making one for the P67 mobo. Earlier in the beginnings of my endeavor of making a great PC from the ground up, I kept asking/requesting if Ripjaws were viable in my rig as to them having great reviews and even some prestigious awards, only to find out that they don't really go with the P67.

I'm not sure who came out with the first ram made specifically for P67, but you can't go wrong with either Corsair or G.Skill.



In the end, I still wish to confirm some things. My selection of CPU is still good, correct? There haven't been any negative outcomes from still obtaining the 2600K currently (the repaired cpu shows no faulty signs) has there? How about the 2820QM Sandy Bridge? (I imagine it is unneccessary for the price jump as well as performance difference against the 2600k being minimal for my build) Is it still Intel that is worth going for in terms of quad-core, or in the near future will AMD will take the lead as it did with dual-core? Also, I wanted to confirm that the ASUS P8P67 DELUXE motherboard is still tops/best prospect with all my components? Am I still good with the power supply? it looks like the CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX looks good but it seems that the AX-850 is still very much pertinent and was highly recommended. Do you think the AX-1200 is overkill (most likely)?

Again, I want to reiterate how much I appreciate your help and knowledge and how much I respect your input and insight. Thank you again for helping out. And for all those who contributed along the way.

Your choice of the i7-2600k is excellent. Stick with it. The 2820 is for laptops.

I really have no hands-on experience with the Asus P8P67 Deluxe. I'm forced to rely on friends or online reviews. It's a fairly expensive board, but has a lot of features. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

And yes, a 1200 watt psu is way overkill for your setup. The 850 is overkill too, but it's a great psu and as long as it fits in your budget, go for it.

And as always, I'm happy to help in any way I can. ;)

[simplepinoi177]

You're getting two separate things confused. The H50, H60, and H70 are all Corsair Hydro Series coolers. These are a closed liquid cooling system. It has a pump, radiator, and fan(s), that are all one complete unit designed specifically and only to cool the cpu. Look through this. http://www.corsair.com/cooling/hydro-series.html
When Corsair introduced it originally, they only offered the 50 and 70. Then after Intel introduced 1155 Sandy Bridge, Corsair (with Asetek), introduced their newest model and called it H60. It's probably the best of the three. Here's a nice review of it. http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1581/1/
Interestingly, you'll notice at the conclusion of the review, they recommend the Antec Kuhler as a better performer and a better value.

I think I just covered all this. Does it all make sense?

HAHA yeah. Thank you very much for clarifying for this inexperienced guy. That is very interesting and funny actually. In order, it went H50, H70, AND THEN back down to H60?!?!? rather funny. And also makes it hard for noobs like me to wrap my head around.


Is it fast? Oh yeah baby...this thing rocks. Is it powerful? No doubt...it's a beast. Is it worth the investment? Absolutely not. Unless you're running at resolutions of 2560x1600 and above, this card would be a total waste of your money. This thing is a real beast, but if you're using a 22 or 24 inch monitor, you're not testing it's real capabilities. Here's a great (but long) review. http://techreport.com/articles.x/20629/1

Ahhh I believe I ran into this information before. Yeah....that the 590 was really for people running 3 monitors at super high resolutions each. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. If anything, because this is the new and better, it might make the 580 a bit cheaper being the more obsolete version.



Your choice of the i7-2600k is excellent. Stick with it. The 2820 is for laptops.

I really have no hands-on experience with the Asus P8P67 Deluxe. I'm forced to rely on friends or online reviews. It's a fairly expensive board, but has a lot of features. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

And yes, a 1200 watt psu is way overkill for your setup. The 850 is overkill too, but it's a great psu and as long as it fits in your budget, go for it.

And as always, I'm happy to help in any way I can. ;)
You got it. Thanks for confirming all of these as well as your personal thoughts. I respect and appreciate those as well/especially.

Also, I have been informed that if I am going to go further than the 8GB ram, that I should really keep it dual channel simply going to 16GB rather than try and go 12GB and put in 3 modules and decreasing performance. I'm wondering if you concur with this?

Again, this is all really appreciated and sought/considered. Thanks.

[simplepinoi177]

Alright. So after much considering, updating, and editing, I think I have made my finalized list (even a longer time when considering I had to wait from February to now for the Sandy Bridge fixes. I updated the RAM kit, the Motherboard (to REV 3.0), a better cooling system, the Antec case (to V3). As stated in my previous post, I upgraded the RAM kit to 16GB because I was informed that, for the CPU, it would be better to not add a third module (4x1GB making it 12GB) because it being dual channel. So with a choice of either 8GB or 16GB, I decided to go for broke and go with this. I know most/many of you would say that it is unneeded to go further than 8, but I feel this will save me some time and energy in the future.

If it helps anyone give any pointers/advice/comments, I put hyperlinks on the components that I am planning on purchasing. You can find the list in the original post.

If anyone is interested, this rig will end up costing around $2,575 plus tax and shipping (as of 05/02/11). After much research and discussion, I believe this rig is the best set up (minus the monitor which I had already owned) for a non-hardcore gaming, novice-level knowledgeable, semi-professional video editing user. If you find yourself in similar circumstances and have as much funds to use, I truly suggest and recommend this set up. Lord knows how much time, research, and discussion had been put into the makeup of this list.

If no one submits any changeable advice and/or criticism or any other post at all, I wanted to take this opportunity then to state how much I appreciate everything all of you have helped me with in deciding what I can/should consider and obtain for my new PC. I want to send out specific thanks to RickyTick. Your help is most invaluable and got me far along in the construction of making the shopping list and right decisions. Again, I deeply thank you all!

[RickyTick]

In your original post you still have the EVGA Hydro video card listed.
Didn't you mean to have this one instead? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130587

[simplepinoi177]

In your original post you still have the EVGA Hydro video card listed.
Didn't you mean to have this one instead? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130587

I was seriously considering that one you listed RickyTick, but after some consideration, comparisons, and thought, I believe I am going to go with the Hydro. You may think it's over kill, but do you think it's alright? Am I forgetting something I need to consider if going the Hydro card route? But I appreciate you(r) double checking...

[RickyTick]

Either I'm not explaining things very well, or you're not understanding things very well. :)

That Hydro card is for systems that have a complete liquid cooling system. Are you planning on liquid cooling for your pc? If not, you cannot use that card.
Here's what it will look like. https://www.evga.com/modsrigs/detail.aspx?buildid=25238
Is this what you had in mind?

[simplepinoi177]

Either I'm not explaining things very well, or you're not understanding things very well. :)

That Hydro card is for systems that have a complete liquid cooling system. Are you planning on liquid cooling for your pc? If not, you cannot use that card.
Here's what it will look like. https://www.evga.com/modsrigs/detail.aspx?buildid=25238
Is this what you had in mind?

Haha RickyTick. It is most surely that I am the one not understanding things well and NOT you explaining things well enough. Again, I apologize for my inexperience.

I was very interested in the Hydro card because of its high specs and capabilities but I figure I do not really need a full on complete liquid cooling on my system and if it is a requirement, then I would not go this route. Thank you so very much for bringing this to my attention and helping me understand. Even more so, making sure I understood properly. It is very much appreciated.

I have changed and updated it on the list in the 1st post.

[simplepinoi177]

Hi again all you masters of PC building!
I didn’t know whether to create a new thread or not but, here goes…

So the rig that’s listed here worked out great! Still haven’t done the overclocking and further tweaking due to me holding off til I read some literature and research properly. But, thanks to all the guidance and suggestions from this thread, it came out to a perfect machine!

So much so, that my father’s brother (my uncle), tried out and used that computer and got envious/jealous! Now HE wants me to make him the same exact PC, but as up to date as possible (considering the PC was made in May and is a couple months old). He is willing to shell up finances as much as my Dad did, and even a little more (to obtain the most up to date components).

The help I request is still under the correlation of “what am I missing” in terms of what more up-to-date components am I missing? Specifically: CPU, Motherboard (should I be concerned of this REV 3.1?), RAM (in terms of model/version), HDD (Western Digital is still tops for 1+TB hard drives right? Although it looks like Hitachi is doing well…)
My uncle wants, specifically, a full-size tower with a side panel. So, considering that, if I need to update the PSU as well…(although, unless anybody suggests better than the Antec Twelve Hundred, I’d go with the original setup)
In terms of optical drives I could probably find/research myself (as they are fairly common and interchangeable), but if you have a great suggestion, of course I’m willing to hear it/consider it.
Also, my uncle is looking for a keyboard, mouse, and a circumaural headphones w/ mic as his are very old and way past out dated (even if they could still be used). I was thinking of making everything wireless and dependant on the superior technology of Bluetooth (vs. RF) so I came up with these products, let me know what you think! Unfortunately, the only circumaural headphones with a mic I could find in Newegg uses RF. And I simply chose Plantronics because that’s the brand that he currently uses.

Keyboard & Mouse: Logitech MX 5500 Revolution Black Bluetooth Cordless Desktop Standard keyboard & Mouse Kit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126038)

Headphones: PLANTRONICS .Audio 995 USB Connector Circumaural Digital Stereo Headset (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826265069)
Unfortunately, the only circumaural headphones with a mic I could find in Newegg uses RF. And I simply chose Plantronics because that’s the brand that he currently uses.

If there are components that are outdated but isn’t listed here in the “specifically” section, please let me know and, if you please, leave a suggestion as to the more updated component.

So, working off of the same specs from this thread and improving them, I didn’t know whether to post up a new thread or just continue from this one.

Thank you again everyone who is helping me! I can’t say enough how much appreciation goes to you from me and my family! I know I will get all the help I need from here. All my gratitude.

[simplepinoi177]

So...I was informed that, for the most part, all that's in the current list is still current and within current version/model.
However, I was also informed that I should consider the newer/better Z68-V motherboard line. Also, to consider the low profile Vengeance ram cards too. And my suspicions were correct that the Hitachi HDDs do seem to be a great alternative, but unless there's something wrong with the WDs, I don't imagine that I would need to replace them for consideration.

Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?